A big request from a not-yet-customer.

[MitchK1989]

Hey... The only thing stopping me from purchasing numerology is this:

I can't use it as an AU plugin inside of logic like I can with kore or bidule.

The ability to host an AU inside of numerology which is then inside of logic would make it REALLY easy to incorporate numerology's step sequencing the modulation into a more traditional DAW environment in a way that works FAR better than rewire.

[jim]

Duly noted! :D

[sbaishya]

I'd like to second this, and add some additional thoughts.

I've been playing around with the demo of NI Kore 2. For those who haven't tried it, I'd describe it as a plugin host, which can itself run as a plugin. It provides some modular features through audio and MIDI routing possibilities.

One of the features is a set of MIDI plugins, including a step sequencer and arpeggiator. As I was experimenting, it made me think how good it would be to have Numerology's more versatile sequencers available inside it.

This could be done in a couple of ways:

1: A stack plugin, that allows the user to set up whatever sequencers are required - this would also support the OP's request

2. Individual plugins for each sequencer type - for simplicity, where stack functionality is not required

To get MIDI out of the plugins, I believe that they would have to be in VST format.

Would anyone else find this useful?

[jim]

I'll have an update on this in a day or two, busy right now finishing up the code for 2.1b5....

Jim

[sbaishya]

I'll have an update on this in a day or two, busy right now finishing up the code for 2.1b5....

Jim

Look forward to it.

Just another thought based on more use of the Kore 2 demo...

It struck me that in terms of what Kore can do around MIDI and audio routing, Numerology can already do most of it, so do I really need Kore?

N2's support for MIDI already exceeds that of Kore, with flexible routing and the sequencers. Where N2 is weaker is audio - but not by much. All that I think is missing is some type of mixer that can be added to a stack to mix sounds from multiple plugins, perhaps with the facility to send audio to aux busses.

So, for me, a stack plugin feels like the way to go. You could even do something nifty with presets, and use an approach similar to AudioRealism's plugins where the note received from the host determines which pattern plays.

[MitchK1989]

yeah, being able to change patterns, stop and start individual stacks, etc by midi inside of ableton live or something would be wonderful.

[jim]

N2's support for MIDI already exceeds that of Kore, with flexible routing and the sequencers. Where N2 is weaker is audio - but not by much. All that I think is missing is some type of mixer that can be added to a stack to mix sounds from multiple plugins, perhaps with the facility to send audio to aux busses.

A proper audio mixer module will be part of the pro version. In the meanwhile, you can mix audio signals by routing them to the same output, either the output of the stack, or the input of some other module. If you need separate level controls, you can use a pair of "Audio Feedback Assist" for that; it has level controls on both input and output. Actually, it has two audio inputs you could use as a mixer, but the level calibration for the 2nd input is very different from a regular volume control...


So, for me, a stack plugin feels like the way to go. You could even do something nifty with presets, and use an approach similar to AudioRealism's plugins where the note received from the host determines which pattern plays.

You can actually do that now by assigning MIDI notes to presets -- double-click on a preset to bring up a dialog box to make the setting.

And, as mentioned, I'll have more to say on the plugin thing soon. The gist is that the new rewire implementation offers almost all the advantages of a plugin, as well as a few extras, such as transport sync and more flexible audio output routing.

Cheers,
Jim

[Sjoerd]

AWESOME.

N2 is a great complement to some other hosts, very usable for integration and instant total recall.

Looking forward! :)

Btw, FYI: at some point N2 and Reaper did make some sort of connection over ReWire; but as both apps have seen a steady flow of updates (beta/rc) I don't remember at all which combination of versions it was. If it is not too much (additional) work, I would appreciate it very much if ReWire functionality would be supported between N2 and Reaper (which is now officially released on OS X, so go check it out (http://reaper.fm) if you haven't yet); as I mentioned elsewhere, I'd be more than happy to help testing that particular combination especially (as Reaper has e.g. some awesome audio/MIDI routing and scripting capabilities). Of course I will also be very happy to test the N2/Reaper combination with a plugin version of N2.

[jim]

I'll contact them for a test version and look into adding it to the test cycle for releases after 2.1.

Cheers,
Jim

[Sjoerd]

Thanks for considering. :)

Btw, there is no functional restriction on (the demo version of) Reaper, so it can be tested perfectly even without license.

[jim]

Btw, there is no functional restriction on (the demo version of) Reaper, so it can be tested perfectly even without license.

Thanks, good to know...

Cheers,
jim

[john brennan]

Hi I tried reaper on your recommendation and I have to say its great! Its much less power hungry than protools and N2 works brilliantly with it I think it's my new favorite ( and to think I almost bought logic last week !) Anyhow do you mind if I ask a question ? Im trying to route audio from N2 into basic audio channels in Reaper to record them Im able to get the signal thru ok but when I hit record it does not record . In PT this is easily done using an audio track but the the track options in reaper are different any help would be great .

[Sjoerd]

Glad you like it John! Because of the crazy routing options, it may be a little confusing at first how to set stuff up. You'll appreciate the flexibility later on I bet. First thing to check is if the track is "armed" for recording (the red "ar" in the pic below, but this may vary per 'theme'):

http://i44.tinypic.com/20uuyl0.jpg

Then also check if you selected the proper audio input (but since you already hear the signal coming in, I guess you're already good there):

http://i44.tinypic.com/zv4fhw.jpg

In this menu you can also choose what/how to record; you can record the input or the output of the track (i.e. before/after further effects processing in the track in Reaper; you can also do some side-chaining to another track and record both).

Also try right clicking on different spots in the screen; there are several different context menu's, but you have to click in the right spots.

Don't hesitate to ask for help when you need further assistance. The Reaper forum is a great source of information as well. And then there are always some friendly guys on its IRC channel that are always willing to help out.

[john brennan]

Hi
Thanks so much for the info and the screen shots :eek: I wasnt expecting so much info I greatly appreciate it. Tho I may not get a chance to try it out till after the weekend as I have a paper due on the properties of acoustic damping in a structure for my music tech class . If I can give any info on the properties of acoustic suppressing plasterwork Ill be glad to help:D

[Sjoerd]

Hi
Thanks so much for the info and the screen shots :eek: I wasnt expecting so much info I greatly appreciate it. Tho I may not get a chance to try it out till after the weekend as I have a paper due on the properties of acoustic damping in a structure for my music tech class . If I can give any info on the properties of acoustic suppressing plasterwork Ill be glad to help:D

You're welcome. Good luck with your paper, and great to have a music tech teacher aboard!

My neighbors would probably very much appreciate some further elaboration on anything that is effective for acoustic suppressing -- some of the pre-existing plasterwork is even gone by now. :D Maybe just link the paper here when you're done with it? I'm sure there are more people facing similar issues (if you happen to live next to an economist, make him/her pay for the acoustic isolation of your home studio by pointing to the Coase Theorem ;)).

[gvh]

Don't hesitate to ask for help when you need further assistance. The Reaper forum is a great source of information as well. And then there are always some friendly guys on its IRC channel that are always willing to help out.

Hi,

Interestingly enough, I just tried Reaper and N2 together for the first time today, without having seen this thread!

Reaper looks pretty ideal as a DAW for me, in that most of my sequencing is done in N2 and hardware sequencers (and I need a good deal of routing flexibility for that very reason!). I found that Logic was getting in my way a lot, and I just can't cozy up to Ableton Live as a recording tool (great for "sketching" though).

I didn't have much success using N2 and Reaper's transports together, but I must admit that I didn't spend that much time on it. Is this something that you do? Slave one to the other for start/stop and clock? Just thought I'd check before beating my head against the wall if there are some known issues.

Thanks!

Gordon

[jim]

I just posted a simple howto for getting Numerology to startup properly with Reaper in ReWire mode:

http://five12.net/showthread.php?p=1838

Feel free to add tips and comments as appropriate.

Cheers,
Jim

[Sjoerd]

Thanks Jim!