Real Time Sample recording

[theau]

Hi,

I know this has been a bit discussed (Numerology is not an Ableton clone). But I would think it would be great to have a record option on the sample window. For exemple, I could Use a step sequencer of the lenghth of 32 bars and I could really record 32 bars.

Then I could in between those 32 steps do some crazy things like trigering a 1/32 step of the sample or do "divides" on steps etc...

Jim, I know you already talked about using long delay like Augusto Loop... But easy recording via the sample module would be great.

;-)

ps : I really wish numerology wouldn't need Live for audio facilities...

[steff3]

oH, jeezzzz, followed the opposite discussion in Ableton-land years ago - please MIDI and how great that would be .... now the opposite ...

If I look at what came out of the whole Live<->MIDI or Live and video discussion - it is still not the universal tool and it will maybe never be ...

I hope the Jim will not go the Live way - we do everything a little bit (but not necessarily sophisticately) ...

best

[amsonx]

If I look at what came out of the whole Live<->MIDI or Live and video discussion - it is still not the universal tool and it will maybe never be ...

best

i agree this, in my live A/V i use different software chained togheter :

one Mac for video purpose running VDMX

the other for the audio side with Numerology (in Num i use Bidule as AU) and Live
the two are conneted via midi interfaces

[jim]

The "pro" version will definitely have more options for recording and playing back samples. The super-spec'd-out 'play loops while auto-matching tempo and key' trick that is the core of Live is not something I'm very interested in pursuing in detail, but there's no reason that I can't make it a bit easier to add some audio looping stuff to a Numerology project... ;)

Cheers,
Jim

[theau]

there's no reason that I can't make it a bit easier to add some audio looping stuff

That's what I was talking about ! :D

[shamburglar]

The "pro" version will definitely have more options for recording and playing back samples. The super-spec'd-out 'play loops while auto-matching tempo and key' trick that is the core of Live is not something I'm very interested in pursuing in detail, but there's no reason that I can't make it a bit easier to add some audio looping stuff to a Numerology project... ;)

Cheers,
Jim


wowe... hold the phone there... theres gonna be a "pro" version at some point?
hee hee. what's that all about Jim? care to elaborate? that sounds exciting.

[jim]

I'll try to put together an 'official' post for later today...

Cheers,
Jim

[mitch]

I very much like the idea of real-time sample grabbing via Numerology. I also don't care much about the Ableton concept of 'warping' or anything like that - I'd be more interested in mangling recently-occurred stuff alongside whatever freakiness this program already allows me to create.

best,

-mm

[yowza]

Jim,

I know you said you'd make an official announcement soon (which I'll continue to patiently wait for) on the "pro" version of Numerology and I also see numerous references to version 2.1, so my question is, are the two versions one and the same? Will there be two versions of 2.1, normal and pro, or is 2.1 going to be the pro version?

Just curious.

Thanks!

Ed

[jim]

2.1 and the pro version are separate. 2.1 will come out a few weeks after 2.0.1 and will have the ChordSequencer and several other goodies. The Pro version will be out later this year and will be an optional, paid upgrade with "many advanced features". I *will* make an official post (to the news section), I just need to get some pressing tasks finished, then I can take the time to gather my thoughts and make a proper announcement.

Cheers,
Jim

[jonahs]

I could really use this! :D I don't think it duplicates Live functionality at all. I'd like to use it for generative audio, which maybe some could be accomplished with Live's follow actions, but I don't like using Live very much! :p Numerology's routing is vastly easier for me to work with, not to mention the modulation possibilities. Honestly, I'd pay extra. I just spent an hour trying to get something working in Live without success.

Baring that, maybe someone could recommend a simple sampler that records a fixed length that is automatable as well as automatable start, end, volume and pitch controls?

[TwoToneshuzz]

I could really use this! :D I don't think it duplicates Live functionality at all. I'd like to use it for generative audio, which maybe some could be accomplished with Live's follow actions, but I don't like using Live very much! :p Numerology's routing is vastly easier for me to work with, not to mention the modulation possibilities. Honestly, I'd pay extra. I just spent an hour trying to get something working in Live without success.

Baring that, maybe someone could recommend a simple sampler that records a fixed length that is automatable as well as automatable start, end, volume and pitch controls?

Funny I seem to see a sampler in the modules list under Audio synths.. It has the automatable start, end, volume and pitch controls.. I have set up a work flow under tips and tricks, "Getting and Keeping an overview"..

Record output from main mix or stack. The new "sample" appears on stop in the media folder "Recordings" of the current project. I set a Alias of that folder on the places menu in the finder, click on so the folders window so the files are visible. Have the Numerology sampler stack and instrument open. Drag the sample from the finder into the instrument. Done! adjust end points if necessary.

Wade

[jim]

I could really use this! :D I don't think it duplicates Live functionality at all. I'd like to use it for generative audio, which maybe some could be accomplished with Live's follow actions, but I don't like using Live very much! :p Numerology's routing is vastly easier for me to work with, not to mention the modulation possibilities. Honestly, I'd pay extra. I just spent an hour trying to get something working in Live without success.

Baring that, maybe someone could recommend a simple sampler that records a fixed length that is automatable as well as automatable start, end, volume and pitch controls?

<intentional misquote>...careful what you ax for eugene...</intentional misquote>

[jonahs]

<intentional misquote>...careful what you ax for eugene...</intentional misquote> I'm not 100% sure how to take this. I hope it's good, as the audio switch already rocked my audio processing world, maybe this would be too awesome ;) But sorry if this was a bad subject to bring up.

Never really listened to much Pink Floyd. Listening a live version of that song now and and I really like what they do with the vocal processing (feedback?) and distortion combined!

@TwoToneshuzz
I greatly appreciate the Numerology sampler, and I resample like crazy now (I'll go check out your post), but I could get much more complex results, much, much more quickly by chaining samplers that could record into each other with multiple modulations along the way. Plus, I could parallel process by running multiple chains at once.

[TwoToneshuzz]

@TwoToneshuzz
I greatly appreciate the Numerology sampler, and I resample like crazy now (I'll go check out your post), but I could get much more complex results, much, much more quickly by chaining samplers that could record into each other with multiple modulations along the way. Plus, I could parallel process by running multiple chains at once.

Well sounds awesome and it would sound awesome.

I'm struggling alot to make the interface to various things,. So it's hard work but it pays off to try and get smaller building blocks to work..

My Resample ideas, shoves a single step into you equation. but it would be doable, if you could keep a seperate monitor, while you were quickly adjusting the loop.

I have this idea if you could use Keyboard Maestro. It has a timed mode so you could set it to start recording at a time triggered by a midi note, a punch in punch out gate at least so you could start with a sample that falls into predetermined time frame.

Then you would maybe lose one bar of time loading it into a sampler that's already recieving a trigger input from a gate.. So it's doable at least for trying some ideas out.

Get it out of your system boy! Resampling like that in Maschine is possible already now. But Mashine ain't no Numerology.

Wade

[jim]

I'm not 100% sure how to take this. I hope it's good, as the audio switch already rocked my audio processing world, maybe this would be too awesome ;) But sorry if this was a bad subject to bring up.

It's not a bad subject at all... and don't try to read *too* much into the floyd reference, but there are some interesting things brewing that I haven't announced yet.

Cheers,
Jim

[sean]

*salivates*

in the meantime, you can get interesting live looping results using the (free) superlooper au inside numerology...

http://www.essej.net/sooperlooper/

[TwoToneshuzz]

*salivates*

in the meantime, you can get interesting live looping results using the (free) superlooper au inside numerology...

http://www.essej.net/sooperlooper/

That was a nice link. Thanks..

Wade