Generative stack ?

[M.A.N.U.]

I try to make a kind of generative stack but... lack of ideas. I broke my brain !

I think I'll try again with Pure Data but I've no time for it, I want to make this with N2.

Some ideas ?

[jim]

No problemo... Give me a rough idea of what you want to hear, and what sort of controls you want to have over it...

Jim

[jue]

Hello,
could you please explain a little more what you mean with a generative stack.
You could do a lot of things with Numerology from generating melodies to rythems or modulation CVs.
best
jue

[M.A.N.U.]

I have not a definite idea.

In theory, generative music is a kind of music that could change every x-time, with modulations and events based on likelihood (google translate...). Autechre use a Max/MSP patch like that. Brian Eno popularized that.

Here's a link on Wikipedia which explain a bit the generative mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_music

Hem... I'm sure I can make this with N2 because I saw modules that I can have generative fun with. But I still how do not know how to "rank", or "line up" them to make a great generative system.

I thought takin' midi-routing-modules and modulate them with a random LFO but it's too random and not even controlled.

It's the thing : I want to make controlled-random-music. It's the first thing in my mind at morning. (after coffee.)

EDIT :

Hum... Maybe it can be useful.

I would like to have X sounds. These X sounds would be chosen to a threshold of likelihood, and I could definite them with a few faders. Rhaaa I don't have a definite idea, like I said above.

EDIT :

Jue ? How do you put the userbar into your signature in this forum ? :)

[twoandtwo]

so you are interested in what numerology is very good at... controlled randomness or how you want to call it.

there are many things that you can do with n2´s basic midi gernerators that can be very, well, generative, yet controlled.
did you check out the techniques videos? you can learn a lot from them and see how easy it is to do this stuff.

maybe we should discuss this on a more specific example.
let´s build some stacks in n2. a lead, a pad, a bass and a drum stack for example. the lead, bass and pad could be dependant of each other in pitch and melody. the drum stack can do it´s own generative thing.

is there a style, you are going for? generative ambient maybe? name some artists that you like who do this kind of thing. maybe we could build this thing together.

[M.A.N.U.]

is there a style, you are going for? generative ambient maybe? name some artists that you like who do this kind of thing. maybe we could build this thing together.

I'm into very abstract electronic stuff like Autechre, Richard Devine and many others. And I'm also into more powerful things with fat basses and many kick drums. My mind's music is a kind of way between these genres.

I still don't heard this music. So I want to create it. I thought to buy Max/MSP a few monthes ago, but I bought a nord rack 2X and I found my sounds, cold and made in the north. Perfect :-)

I'm not at home for a week (I work for a band), on next tuesday I'll think about a nice stack and maybe we could exchange some ideas :)

[twoandtwo]

ok then, let´s try this next week.

i´m also into autechre and have seen them a few times playing live. but i can tell you upfront that it´s pretty complicated to achieve such complex soundscapes.

you first have to analyze this music and have to think about how everything is built from the ground up and i can tell you, there are quite some wicked techniques and a lot of effects involved...

i´ve seen that there are some max and reaktor patches that try to achieve this kind of generative thing.

but it could be pretty interesting to try and build something like that in numerology.
maybe there are more people who would like to help. i´m not a numerology veteran, i´m pretty new to the software myself.

anyone else in the boat for this?

[jue]

Hello,

will jump in the boat here.
Can you tell me some examples from autechre to listen what you all talk about.
I am not familar to this kind of music but will listen and think about it.

For the userbar into my signature: User CP --> Edit Signature --> upload picture....

Hope the use is alowed?


best
jue

[twoandtwo]

cool jue!

so autechre´s style is ranging from intelligent ambient tunes to pretty abstract atonal stuff, wich is sometimes even hard to listen to.
here are some links to get an impression.

http://www.myspace.com/myslb

http://www.vimeo.com/2023636

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omw9RUC5kCI

the last video is from a live gig. live they are a bit more straight i´d say, the rythms are a bit more groove oriented, but complicated and sometimes "hard to get" nontheless. what´s striking in the live show is their bass, which is usually extremely catching. they have an amazing sound and people are screaming all the time, which you can hear in the video.

so let´s analyze and try to simulate these complex rhythms with numerology...

[pete.m]

I'd be interested in jumping in to this also. I'm a brand-new Numerology user (just bought it over the weekend), and I'm hoping to explore some minimal/glitch/idm/whatever-it's-called-today noise creation.

The thing about AE is that there's this net-wide assumption that much of their music is random, or generative. However in several interviews, they claim that it's quite the opposite and most of their unique sounds come from circuit-bent hardware effects and large amounts of parameter automation tweaking in Logic. Then again, they're also very vague with their answers.

How about we pick a tune and try to emulate a particular sound or phrase or something?

-pete-

[jim]

Here's a link to a "classic" autechre track, gantz_graf well known for this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyJfHU4GoOQ&fmt=22

Definitely not easy listening, but very interesting. I'll be coding most of the day, but will try to put together a stack tonight that uses some of what I hear in many autechre tracks : hard-attack, short sounds, manipulated sample sounds, arhythmic patterns, and lots of what in Numerology-land we call gate divide....

Cheers,
Jim

[pete.m]

Cool...can't wait to see your take on it :)

I was working on something last night inspired by Vletrmx, just washes of sound mostly, no beats.

Thanks!

-pete-

[jue]

Hello,

what about this, listen

best
jue

[M.A.N.U.]

what about this, listen

It's like my last track : one climax, random but not evolutive. I like a lot !

But I think other people (those which listen to our music) needs to evolutive tracks and the music I enjoy (raw ! I can listen to a simple random beat from mine a load of hours) isn't always the music they enjoy. (Sorry again about my poor english).

About Autechre... The thing about them... They use everything. Logic, Digital Performer, Max/MSP, they have at least six computers (PC, mac), a few bended-or-not rythm machines... Here is an old gear-listing (2003) from a russian website.

"Autechre Gear List

Если вы хотите знать, какое оборудование использует Autechre, вот списки 2003 и 1998 годов...

Gear List 2003 года:(взят из журнала Future Music). Интервью из этого номера можно прочитать здесь. часть1, часть2, часть3

Один человек сделал линки на каждый из приборов, которые идут ниже. Таким образом можно подробно узнать о каждом из них: Mike Baas WebLink.

Akai Z8 sampler & ADAT card
AKG C1000 mic
Alesis QuadraVerb GT effects
Alesis Monitor 1 speakers
Alesis MMT8 sequencer (x2)
Analogue Systems RS8500 modular synth with various modules
Apple 7200 PowerPC
Apple 9650 PowerPC
Apple Airport LAN card (x2)
Apple G4 dual 800 computer
Apple G4 450 computer
Apple G4 500 Powerbook (x2)
Apple G4 800 Powerbook
Apple Powerbook 1400c computer with Newertech G3/PB 1400 upgrade card
Atari 1040STE computer
Behringer Autocom
Behringer Composer Pro
Behringer Ultrafex 2
Behringer Ultrapatch (x4)
Boss RDD-10 effects unit
Boss RSD-10 effects unit (x2)
Calabash gourd rattle
Casio FZ-1 sampler
Casio RZ-1 drum machine
Casio PT-7 workstation
Casio SK-1 sampler (x2)
Casio SK-5 sampler
Clavia Nord Lead rack synth
Clavia Nord Modular synth with eight-voice card (x2)
dbx DDP processor
Digidesign 882 I/O interface
Digidesign Disk I/O PCI
Digidesign DSP Farm PCI
DOD phaser pedal
Dynaudio BM 15a speakers
Dynaudio M1 speakers
Emagic AMT8 MIDI interface
E-mu Esynth Ultra sampler
Ensoniq ASR 10R Sampler (x2)
Ensoniq DP2 effects unit
Ensoniq EPS16+ sampler
Griffin iMate adaptor
Grundig tape recorder
HHB CDR850+ CD recorder
IBM 4.5Gb SCSI drives (x2)
IBM ThinkPad computer
Iomega Zip-100 drive (x2)
Iomega Zip-250 drive
Kenton Pro 4 CV/MIDI interface
Korg Prophecy synth
Korg MS10 synth
Kurzweil K2500R synth
LA Audio 4x4 compressor
Lexicon MPX1 effects unit
Mackie 24:8 mixer with meter bridge
Mackie CR1604 VLZ mixer
Mbira with resonator
Micropolis AVLT 2Gb SCSI drive
MidiLink midi interface
Midiman Fastlane USB MIDI interface
Miny portable tape recorder
MotU Micro Express MIDI interface
MotU MIDI Express XT/USB interface
Nintendo Gameboy
Oberheim DMX drum machine
Opcode Studio 3 MIDI interface
Panasonic SV3800 DAT recorder
Peavey PC 1600X controller
Philip Rees S5 MIDI switcher
Philips oscilloscope
Phonic MRT60 mixer
PSE stereo spring reverb
PT3 PCI interface
Realistic induction mic
Reyong
RME Hammerfal
RME Hammerfall ADI8 Pro audio interface
RME Hammerfall Digiface digital interface
Roland CR-8000 drum machine
Roland Juno 106 synth
Roland SH-2 synth
Roland MC-202 synth
Roland CR-78 drum machine
Roland PMA-5 sequencer
Roland TR-606 drum machine
Roland R-8 drum machine
Seagate Barracuda 4Gb SCSI drives (x3)
Seagate Barracuda 9Gb SCSI drive
Seck 18:8:2 mixer
Simmons SDE drum expander
Simmons SPM MIDI mixer
Sony CRX 1600L CDRW
Sony lapel mic
Sony MDSJE 520 MiniDisc recorder
Sony MP5 effects unit
Sony TDC7 DAT recorder
Sony TDC690 DAT recorder
Symbolic Sound Capybara320
Tascam 244 four-track recorder
Tascam DA20 MkII DAT recorder
Tascam DAP1 DAT recorder
Tascam M2600 mixer
TC phaser pedal
Wacom A5 & A6 tablets
Yamaha 4260TX CDRW
Yamaha CBXD5 interfaces (x2)
Yamaha CX5 computer (x2)
Yamaha DX100 synths (x2)
Yamaha FS 1R synth
Yamaha KXW321 tape deck
Yamaha NS 10M speakers
Yamaha QY20 sequencer/synth
Yamaha RY30 drum machine
Yamaha SU10 sample

А это тоже самое, но отсортированное мной по категориям:

Digital FX
Alesis QuadraVerb GT effects
Boss RDD-10 effects unit
Boss RSD-10 effects unit (x2)
dbx DDP processor
Ensoniq DP2 effects unit
Lexicon MPX1 effects unit
Sony MP5 effects unit

Analog FX
Behringer Autocom
Behringer Composer Pro
Behringer Ultrafex 2
DOD phaser pedal
LA Audio 4x4 compressor
PSE stereo spring reverb
TC phaser pedal


Computers
Apple 7200 PowerPC
Apple 9650 PowerPC
Apple Airport LAN card (x2)
Apple G4 dual 800 computer
Apple G4 450 computer
Apple G4 500 Powerbook (x2)
Apple G4 800 Powerbook
Apple Powerbook 1400c computer with Newertech G3/PB 1400 upgrade card
Atari 1040STE computer
IBM ThinkPad computer
Yamaha CX5 computer (x2)

Analog Modular Synth
Analogue Systems RS8500 modular synth with various modules

Synth
Casio PT-7 workstation
Clavia Nord Lead rack synth
Clavia Nord Modular synth with eight-voice card (x2)
Korg Prophecy synth
Korg MS10 synth
Roland Juno 106 synth
Roland SH-2 synth
Roland MC-202 synth
Yamaha DX100 synths (x2)
Yamaha FS 1R synth

Samplers
Akai Z8 sampler & ADAT card
Casio FZ-1 sampler
Casio SK-1 sampler (x2)
Casio SK-5 sampler
E-mu Esynth Ultra sampler
Ensoniq ASR 10R Sampler (x2)
Ensoniq EPS16+ sampler
Kurzweil K2500R synth
Yamaha SU10 sampler

Drum Machines
Casio RZ-1 drum machine
Oberheim DMX drum machine
Roland CR-8000 drum machine
Roland CR-78 drum machine
Roland TR-606 drum machine
Roland R-8 drum machine
Simmons SDE drum expander
Yamaha RY30 drum machine


MIDI Interfaces
Emagic AMT8 MIDI interface
Kenton Pro 4 CV/MIDI interface
MidiLink midi interface
Midiman Fastlane USB MIDI interface
MotU Micro Express MIDI interface
MotU MIDI Express XT/USB interface
Opcode Studio 3 MIDI interface
Philip Rees S5 MIDI switcher

Audio Interfaces
Digidesign 882 I/O interface
Digidesign Disk I/O PCI
Digidesign DSP Farm PCI
RME Hammerfal
RME Hammerfall ADI8 Pro audio interface
RME Hammerfall Digiface digital interface
Yamaha CBXD5 interfaces (x2)

HDDs and CDRWs
HHB CDR850+ CD recorder
IBM 4.5Gb SCSI drives (x2)
Iomega Zip-100 drive (x2)
Iomega Zip-250 drive
Micropolis AVLT 2Gb SCSI drive
Seagate Barracuda 4Gb SCSI drives (x3)
Seagate Barracuda 9Gb SCSI drive
Sony CRX 1600L CDRW
Yamaha 4260TX CDRW

DATs
Panasonic SV3800 DAT recorder
Sony TDC7 DAT recorder
Sony TDC690 DAT recorder
Tascam DA20 MkII DAT recorder
Tascam DAP1 DAT recorder

MiniDisk
Sony MDSJE 520 MiniDisc recorder

Tape Recorders
Grundig tape recorder
Miny portable tape recorder
Tascam 244 four-track recorder
Yamaha KXW321 tape deck

Control Monitors
Alesis Monitor 1 speakers
Dynaudio BM 15a speakers
Dynaudio M1 speakers
Yamaha NS 10M speakers

Mixers
Mackie 24:8 mixer with meter bridge
Mackie CR1604 VLZ mixer
Phonic MRT60 mixer
Seck 18:8:2 mixer
Simmons SPM MIDI mixer
Tascam M2600 mixer 24

Mics
AKG C1000 mic
Realistic induction mic
Sony lapel mic

Sequencers
Alesis MMT8 sequencer (x2)
Roland PMA-5 sequencer
Yamaha QY20 sequencer/synth

MIDI Controller:
Peavey PC 1600X controller

DSP Farm:
Symbolic Sound Capybara 320

Rest
Behringer Ultrapatch (x4)
Calabash gourd rattle
Griffin iMate adaptor
Mbira with resonator
Nintendo Gameboy
Philips oscilloscope
PT3 PCI interface
Reyong
Wacom A5 & A6 tablets

Gear List 1998 года:(взят из журнала Sound on Sound). Интервью из этого номера можно прочитать здесь.

• Roland Juno 106
• Roland MC202
• Roland TR606
• Roland R8
• Ensoniq ASR-10
• Ensoniq EPS
• Ensoniq DP2
• Alesis Quadraverb
• Kenton Pro4
• Clavia Nord Lead
• Korg Prophecy
• Casio SK1
• Casio SK5
• Casio RZ1 sampling drum machine "That's really old school. The sampling quality is crap but it sounds awesome."
• Philips Oscilloscope "We have a lot of problems with high frequencies, so we try and keep an eye on it. We also occasionally write tracks that look good on the oscilloscope. Unfortunately it tends to be really basic rave stuff."
• Yamaha DX11
• Tascam 24 channel mixer "Fat as f**k. We like the range and flexibility of the EQ a lot."
• Korg MS20
• Alesis Point 1 nearfield monitors "We replaced our NS10s with these because we thought our music was suffering.""

... Impressive. I've seen a good thread from IDMforums.com (Great forum about electronic musics) :

Autechre Max/Msp & Reaktor patches (http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=3482)

(I'm not an Autechre's geek) :p

So, I think their music isn't random : their mind is.

Ok, seriously.

I'm more interested by the evolution of their tracks than the sounds. I've my owns. So, I return at home on tuesday (with new gear ! Akai S3000XL. I can't wait.), I'll listen to Autechre in "active" mode and really try to break the myth :)

Definitely not easy listening, but very interesting. I'll be coding most of the day, but will try to put together a stack tonight that uses some of what I hear in many autechre tracks : hard-attack, short sounds, manipulated sample sounds, arhythmic patterns, and lots of what in Numerology-land we call gate divide....

Thanks !

For the userbar into my signature: User CP --> Edit Signature --> upload picture....

It seems I can't make this. I'll try again. Thanks for jumping in the boat.

i´m also into autechre and have seen them a few times playing live. but i can tell you upfront that it´s pretty complicated to achieve such complex soundscapes.

If I want to... I'm able to make it. And it works !

[twoandtwo]

hey jue,
definitely a good approach! maybe you can tell us how you managed to program this.

M.A.N.U., right! a track, as random as it is, should evolve. there should be a dramaturgy thats changing the tention of the track. i think that´s applicable to any kind of music.
i read an interesting article on arranging tracks in more interesting ways, so a good loop doesn´t stay static. here it is:

http://tarekith.com/assets/arranging.html

if you ask me, arranging is one of the hardest things of all. it´s all about variation, breaks and details that keep it interesting.

[pete.m]

Good point about the need for evolution. I once had a guitar teacher that stressed the importance of never playing a part the same way twice (in solo fingerstyle stuff at least) :)

Thanks for the link too!

-pete-

[jue]

Hello,

sorry, but as I told you I am new to this kind of music.
I just wandet to check wether I am in the right direction for sound and beats.
Arrangement is the next steps for me in a work.
The other thing I see is that I do not understand right what people mean with their words.
For me generative is some kind of randomness, but for others it seems that this means making a whole arrangement in one stack.
And that coul be difficult at least with only one stack.
For me most of the time there are two to four stacks only for arranging the other stacks in the project.
A normal Project could look like this:
Stack 1 - 2 : Controlls for live corrections ( FaderBoxes and ParamMods )
Stack 3 - 7 : Controls for project arrangement ( ModulationSeqs und ParamMods )
Stack 8 - .... : Stacks for the seqs and the instruments if they are hosted in Numerology, if not they are sending out MIDI.

The other thing what could be done after this recording is to work with some kind of master effects including cutting and pasting some audioparts or use some plugins shreddering the audio.
When hearing the graf title I could hear a lot of effects of the reaktor user library used to mangle the whole track.

What I wanted to say that we need to go thru several stages to reach a complex result like this. It could be possible to do this in one go within Numerology but it will be mutch more work than to go thru the differend stages of the production work.

best
jue

[jim]

.... I'll be coding most of the day, but will try to put together a stack tonight that uses some of what I hear in many autechre tracks : hard-attack, short sounds, manipulated sample sounds, arhythmic patterns, and lots of what in Numerology-land we call gate divide....


Ok, so make that "most of the week" and "put together a stack real-soon-now"... Anyway, I'm working on several ideas, and will post examples as soon as I get them organized. One of the ideas is based around some high-level controls over a SamplePlayer and its primary params (sample start, loop start, loop length, tuning...). Another trick I'm pursuing is a way to systematically modify a note pattern using shift, invert, skip steps, and "selective transposition". Stay tuned...

Jim

[M.A.N.U.]

Humm... Interesting !

I can't focus on N2 at the moment, I've a lot of works with my bands. I come back after april 3rd... It'll be nice :)

[theau]

Nice thread, I'm definitely curious of new ideas regarding stack organization. I also have nice circuit bent samples to share if needed.

:)

[amsonx]

I also have nice circuit bent samples to share if needed.

:)

ya, this can wonderful :)

[M.A.N.U.]

Hi !

A few words today, not to post a new idea about generative sequencing, but to say : I quit music, for a few times. Maybe, and probably, a long time. I met new drummers, they are fun, and they play now in place of me in my bands, and I sold all my production gear.

I want to take another road :-) Maybe, in the future, I'll return at work, but now I need to not study music, and learn other things.

Long life to Five12, if I come back, in the future, I hope it'll be always here and full of new modules.

Take care ! :cool:

[jim]

Long life to Five12, if I come back, in the future, I hope it'll be always here and full of new modules.

It will indeed! :)

Good luck with your travels!

Best,
Jim

[M.A.N.U.]

It will indeed!

Nice to hear it ! And thank you about N2, again : really nice piece of software, now people can learn modular sequencing without Max and Reaktor. :D

Ciao !

[bagger288]

I think the trick to getting interesting generative sequences with numerology is to make sure to generate a lot of control data and not just send lots of notes and gate signals. From the generative-style stuff I've heard autechre do it sounds like they are doing a whole lot of automation of various synthesis/sampling parameters and not just triggering samples/notes in a semi-random fashion.

I think a great place to start is using the different types of time settings in the sequencers, for instance, using ratios instead of the normal quarter/half/eighth notes etc. Also, I'd make sure to use lots of envelopes and LFO's triggered and reset in various different ways... and pick interesting things to automate, like the amount of Frequency Modulation on a synth (autechre has used a lot of FM stuff) or the phase of a synced oscillator, or maybe the length of a sample loop, etc.

I haven't quite tried this yet because it hasn't been my main focus, but that's where I'd start.

good luck!

[MrBiggs]

Interesting thread to read over coffee today. I was really disappointed that it ended where it did. I hope M.A.N.U. loses some sleep after getting me all excited about this and then just bailing.:)

I don't have as much time to work on this stuff as I'd like, but I'm wondering about some of the "random" steps in Num2 sequencers. It seems pretty black/white as to whether or not the step ends up being random -- meaning I click and make it so -- and then the randomness only applies as to whether the step plays or not. That's not really generative, is it? I'm fairly new to this, so I might have overlooked or not considered some functionality, but it would be mighty interestin' to have a random step that controls something else. Like, ok, the second sixteenth note of a sequence makes a change to a LFO parameter each time it comes around, but only maybe. Then if it does hit, the LFO parameter has a 25% chance of being a sine with whatever rate, or a square with a different rate, which has a chance of speeding up each time the sixteenth his hit.
And then there's a different sequence/sound that is only launched when the square LFO hits a certain rate or higher, and on and on with this. I suppose it can be read as a set of rules. As far as I can tell, the random step in the various sequencers has no conditions, which seems to hold back Num2 from true generational song building like the Autechre and Eno examples mentioned. It's my understanding that "generational" doesn't just mean "random" or "different every time" but more than that. It builds upon itself. Am I right?
Has anyone worked on this since the last posts in June?

thank you kindly

[jim]

I'm working on several ideas that will definitely increase the generative options for Numerology. One of those is a much more controllable randomization technique. The others are ambiguous enough I don't want to post about them yet....

Best,
Jim

[bagger288]

one think i've been thinking about trying for sequences lately, has been to write 3 or 4 sequences with different pattern lengths, but maybe similar harmonic structures (or related ones) and using an LFO to move through the patterns. This would give a sense of complexity but easy to keep under control. maybe i'll give that a shot tonight :)

[jim]

That's a great idea. You could use one lfo per-sequence (or even another sequence) to control the contribution of that sequence to the overall pattern. Use the Scale & Offset to multiply the LFO with the interval sequence.

Cheers,
Jim

[jay]

Interesting thread, although I'm some what lost.
Just wondering if anyone has furthered any of the ideas mentioned here?
Anyone have any numerology examples?

[deva]

one think i've been thinking about trying for sequences lately, has been to write 3 or 4 sequences with different pattern lengths, but maybe similar harmonic structures (or related ones) and using an LFO to move through the patterns. This would give a sense of complexity but easy to keep under control. maybe i'll give that a shot tonight :)

would be helpful to see some examples like this... One thing with Numerology (being new to it) is that examples are not easy to see what is going on. I wonder if there could be some schematic view that would give an overview of the structure of the stack(s)? and how everything is connected? Or maybe I just need to keep working on it and it will start to become more obvious... hmmm

[jim]

would be helpful to see some examples like this... One thing with Numerology (being new to it) is that examples are not easy to see what is going on. I wonder if there could be some schematic view that would give an overview of the structure of the stack(s)? and how everything is connected? Or maybe I just need to keep working on it and it will start to become more obvious... hmmm

Probably the best way to learn a new stack, other than just fiddling with the controls, is to look at the routing page, which will show all MIDI, Audio and CV connections. One thing it doesn't show is ParamMod connections, something that should probably be addressed.

Also, I should be doing more demo & tutorial videos...

Regardless : Never hesitate to ask questions, either on the forum or by emailing. I don't mind answering them, and they always give me valuable insight on how Numerology can be improved.

Best,
Jim

[jim]

Interesting thread, although I'm some what lost.
Just wondering if anyone has furthered any of the ideas mentioned here?
Anyone have any numerology examples?

I'll give it a bump on my personal list. I should have some non-programing time available later this week.

Jim

[jay]

one think i've been thinking about trying for sequences lately, has been to write 3 or 4 sequences with different pattern lengths, but maybe similar harmonic structures (or related ones) and using an LFO to move through the patterns. This would give a sense of complexity but easy to keep under control. maybe i'll give that a shot tonight :)

I had ago at something like this the other day. Had an LFO controlling step rate of a mononote , scrolling through 8ths-128ths. Worked quite well, but was wondering if there is another way to control the speed at which an LFO can step through a mononote seq?

On another note (;)) anyone heard the new Ae album? Bloody lovely melodies!

[jim]

I had ago at something like this the other day. Had an LFO controlling step rate of a mononote , scrolling through 8ths-128ths. Worked quite well, but was wondering if there is another way to control the speed at which an LFO can step through a mononote seq?


Change the "Rate Mode" to Ratio or Percent -- that menu is just below the main Rate menu. Ratio gives you two params you can use to set the speed as a ratio of a beat. The Percent option sets the speed as a percent of a beat. Both are very good options for modulation. Using one or two ModSeqs on the Ratio numerator and denominator are great ways to get off-kilter rhythms.


On another note (;)) anyone heard the new Ae album? Bloody lovely melodies!

Haven't yet, I'll have to dig around for some clips...

Cheers,
Jim

[jay]

Cheers Jim, I'll give it a try tonight!

You can download the Ae album from Bleep.com. They've released the digital download!

[blurk]

On another note (;)) anyone heard the new Ae album? Bloody lovely melodies!
Ooooh. Are they back to doing melodies now? I don't mind random bleeps and bloops, but they do start to get tiresome after a while if there's no counterbalance.