Max for Live!

[sonomute]

Well, Numerology killer is coming...

http://www.ableton.com/extend

[yowza]

I don't know about that maybe feature wise but not so much at the price you'd have to pay to have both Live and Max for Live.

[jue]

Hello,

donig MAX since v3 I was not able to get a working plugin with a few clicks.
Is hard work to get what you want.
Even simple stepsequencers are not so easy as it seems at the beginning, having several Seqs in sync is more difficult.
Used this before I found Numerology and today MAX is only for the things Numerology could not do, today?
I am also hoping to get a more easy use of plugins from MAX in Live but we will see.
In the moment I am going thru IAC busses to route MIDI to and from MAX to Numerology.

Was yesterday at Musikmesse, Frankfurt and talking to several people about Numerology,MAX and Live, all want to have a look for Numerology first after I was telling them whats ready there without the need of programming.
Even some from Ableton were impressed what the possibilities of Numerology are.
The only argument some Hardware sequencer manufactures could bring was, that its not hardware,
a very poor argument in my eyes, because if you are running Numerology from a MiniMac as the only programm installed there it the same like their hardwareSequencers.

Think that with the new step on trigger mode Numerology is lightjears ahead in front all other so called sequencers.

best
jue

Ps: In Reaktor you could do also all kind of sequencers but in their library there is also nothing like Numerology, it posible but........

[Per Boysen]

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:05 AM, jue <> wrote:

> Even simple stepsequencers are not so easy as it seems at the beginning, having several Seqs in sync is more difficult.


That was my immediate thought yesterday when reading sonomute's post.
The point with Numerology is that you already get all those tools and
can start making music right away! Live 8 totally lacks the sequencing
powers specific to Numerology. It seems to much more creative to use
Numerology than buying Max For Live and start building such tools for
Live.

[jue]

hello,

tonight, will try to find a way to trigger live clips from numerologys stepseqs in sync and that the clips are only playing as long as the gate in Numerology will last. Got some interesting information about live launch modes as a result from the talking with the ablton people I meet at musikmesse.
Will share it if it works here at the forum shure.

best
jue

PS: The music has to be the goal and not the tools!

[jim]

The only argument some Hardware sequencer manufactures could bring was, that its not hardware, a very poor argument in my eyes, because if you are running Numerology from a MiniMac as the only programm installed there it the same like their hardwareSequencers.


It's all about the hardware control options.... I'm working on a new feature that will greatly expand those options, more soon...

Jim

[shamburglar]

Jue... I totally hear you about Max for Live... I made the mistake a couple of years ago of buying Reaktor for about the same reasons people would buy Max for Live... I just didn't have the time or energy to learn something so complicated and Numerology does just about all the things that I really wanted to do with Reaktor and Live anyways... minus the uber complicated architecture. Numerology goes pretty deep but also has a great degree of instant gratification. I'm sure Max for live is going to be very expensive... it does however offer some really interesting possibilities for creating installations, sequencing video and using Live to control just about anything on the planet. But all I want is step sequencers and lfos... Num fits the bill. I wonder if Ableton will release some sort of uneditable step sequencer/lfo pack for Live 8 that only includes the Max engine but does not allow for too much modification... because it seems that for the Majority Max for Live is overkill for their needs. Makes me almost wonder what Num could do if it were a plugin, kind of like how FL studio/or Energy XT can be used as a Host or as a plugin in DAWs... hmmmmm.

[jue]

hello,

please have a ook to the tips and tricks section for playing Live clips from Numerology.
It works!!

best
jue

[amsonx]

it does however offer some really interesting possibilities for creating installations, sequencing video and using Live to control just about anything on the planet. hmmmmm.

Actually i'm using numerology , VMDX, Quartz Composer together to make A/V installation and live A/V set; i think that the Pro version (with OSC support) will give me even more possibilities for this purpose

[jim]

Actually i'm using numerology , VMDX, Quartz Composer together to make A/V installation and live A/V set; i think that the Pro version (with OSC support) will give me even more possibilities for this purpose

Random question: Have you found a way to reliably control Quartz Composer patches via MIDI? I've tried a couple times and ran into two nasty issues: either MIDI CC's get completely lost (if you send more than a few at once), or continuous modulation of QC module params cases ridiculous frame rate issues. I suppose I should try the version in Snow Leopard, it should be better...

Best,
Jim

[amsonx]

i had similar problem too.
Actually I' use the Kineme Midi plugin instead the native midi patch ( can be reached at www.kineme.org , require registration)
and seems more reliable, but mainly i use the QC patch via VDMX and this work like a charms .
But i think that you can try the kineme patch.

best
Diego

[RHR]

As as user of Ableton Live since 2002 I was one of the few disappointed to hear all the hullaballo of the joining forces with Max because I just knew it wasnt going to amount to much at all. Massive threads on the Ableton forum a couple of years ago about how amazing it will be (except for a couple of dissenters like me). Now you dont hear a thing about it, all those heavy voices who said it would be the sequencer killer of all sequencers are silent now. If Ableton had joined forces with Numerology that would have been a different matter. Seems to me a no brainer but peraps its a good thing because they would have destroyed Numerology if they bought it ouright

Ive gone off Ableton now anyway. They pander to noobs screaming for features they think will make them a hit record and they usually get them.

And they stole the programmer of the best soft sampler around (Shortcircuit) bought him off and made him stop finishing shortcircuit 2 which was going to be a samplists dream sampler and raped his ideas for their drum racks whichis a watered down version of shortcircuit, they dont even compare actually. Thats where they got the idea from in ver 5. Ableton havent come up with an original idea since day 1. Even Live was an old Atari programme. The guy who wrote the programme has signed a non disclosure agreement and he simply refuses to to talk about his original creation.* If you had ever seen Live for the Atari, it really is exactly the same except then of course it didnt have audio. Actuyally trying to find a copy of the original Live for the Atari is incredibly difficult. Its as if someone has been going around hoovering them up :D

yeah Im a little angry as I bought short circuit1 which is great but it has its shortcomings and the sound can be a little grainy. Circuit 2 which you can download free but its basically a beta version and cannot be trusted as it loses files and has even corrupted whole song files But it was exactly what I many others needed, a real software sampler, not a software sampler player. I waited over a year after he announced it, beta tested, couldn't wait to get the final version. Then he simply stopped. yeah, he sold out and left all his users of SC1 in the lurch. I totally lost respect for the guy. He cant put the code on open source because of course Ableton own him and it now. Al for a few $$$ :mad:

[Sjoerd]

@RHR: re: the ideal sampler: I've never really wanted to use samplers in realtime, so I haven't really played with it at all, but some people seem to really dig STEIM's LiSa (http://steim.org/steim/lisa.html) too; are you familiar with that?

Also, don't you think the Shortcircuit dev is responsible himself as well for signing any kind of deal with Ableton giving them some sort of exclusivity?

[Per Boysen]

STEIM's LiSa (http://steim.org/steim/lisa.html)I'm totally into live samling and didn't know about LiSa! (using Mobius and various Bidule builds over here)

But LiSa looks a bit obsolete:
LiSa 1.25 runs on any G3 or G4 PowerMac with OS X 10.3 or higher, and a minimum of 128 MB of RAM.Does someone know if there is a version planned for today's Mac boxes that use Intel processors? Nothing mention in the manual whether it supports AU plug-in technology in some way?

[Sjoerd]

I'm totally into live samling and didn't know about LiSa! (using Mobius and various Bidule builds over here)

But LiSa looks a bit obsolete:
Does someone know if there is a version planned for today's Mac boxes that use Intel processors? Nothing mention in the manual whether it supports AU plug-in technology in some way?
Yes it does look obsolete, and probably is. That's why I never touched it. :)

I hang out at STEIM regularly, and will nag them once more about it on your behalf. Feel free to come over and join in any day, btw. :) When I talked to their main software development guy, I didn't get the impression that it was very high on their todo list. However, you must understand this in the perspective that STEIM is not a software firm; and is entirely non-commercial (they don't make any profit on the sales of their software), relying on public funding to exist; their focus is mainly on pioneering, to some extent they nowadays probably consider this type of development mainstream / commercially viable enough for others to pursue.

(Much like they leave the development of Crackleboxes to Apple and a horde of indie AppStore devs nowadays. ;) )

[jim]

There is a LiSA mailing list somewhere on the net, but I don't have a link handy. Interestingly enough, two of the most advanced LiSA users are in New Mexico, but I haven't spoken to them about it in quite a while.

FYI: Expert Sleepers' Crossfade Loop Synth can do live sampling when run as an effect. I like to use it to confuse a guitar-player friend of mine...

Cheers,
Jim

[Per Boysen]

FYI: Expert Sleepers' Crossfade Loop Synth can do live sampling when run as an effect.That's a plugin I love too! Used it in combination with a step sequencer in Bidule to build a prototype of my live sampling instrument idea "Steppohonic Looperformer". Presentation and sound clips here: http://www.perboysen.com/archives/711

[Sjoerd]

There is a LiSA mailing list somewhere on the net, but I don't have a link handy.

Here you go: http://lists.steim.org/mailman/listinfo/lisa