Offsetting latency from numerology to live?

[TWINSTATES]

Hi All,

i notice that when rewired together live and numerology have some latency, specifically the midi coming into live is a bit behind the audio of live.

I am using rewire and then piping midi through numerology midi 1,2 3 and 4 then iac buss once those channels are done.

Can anyone tell me how i can have the 2 programmes playing perfectly in sync please?

I don't want to move the live stuff back as this will cause problems arranging and what have you later down the line.

I am suprised how bad midi integration is on a mc. perhaps I am doing something wrong here but from other discussions re jitter etc it seems that sending messages from one app to another just aint that great (still!)

I wonder if OSC would be better? i know that max for live is just around the corner (ohh, just imagine numerology as a M4L application :)))))))))) total integration and no rewire messing around. . . .

[jim]

Live has a very handy Track Delay adjustment setting for each track. To see it, go to the mixer view, and click on the little "D" button to the far right, just next to the master volume control. Then you can adjust the track delay for each track forwards or backwards.

Cheers,
Jim

[TWINSTATES]

ahh brilliant, thanks Jim

Can I presume that the offset will be the same for all channels and constant from session to session?

Don't know whether you would actually know that but you seem to know most things :)

[broc]

Can I presume that the offset will be the same for all channels and constant from session to session?
In my experience the answer is YES, at least with Ableton Live.
For example, I get accurate timing at offset of 35ms.
Using Numerology ports or IAC makes no difference.
And it behaves constantly from session to session.

To adjust the offset I'm running two drum loops with rimshots on the beats.
So you can hear even a time difference of 1ms as it results in audible phasing.

PS. I've also checked the offset with Numerology rewired to Logic.
But in this case I couldn't find an exact value because of too much jitter.

[steff3]

Maybe a really stupid question ....

So I have to move all non Num-midi input tracks in positive direction (e.g. 35ms to take the values pointed out here). I guess it is not possible to move the Num2-MIDI track by -35ms (because that would be before real-time) ....

Thanks

best

[broc]

Seems strange, but a negative delay of the Num tracks is also possible.
It has exactly the same effect as a positive delay of the non-Num tracks.
The delay parameter just refers to relative time between tracks, not real time.

[jim]

That is correct -- think of the negative track delay as a way to delay everything else to match. A very clever and useful trick...

Jim

[Isaiah]

Where exactly do you set a negative delay at for Numerology stacks? I've been reading thru the manual trying to figure this out, but I can't find this bit.

[broc]

Where exactly do you set a negative delay at for Numerology stacks? I've been reading thru the manual trying to figure this out, but I can't find this bit.
There's a misunderstanding on your side.
We are talking about the delay of Numerology tracks in Ableton Live here.

[steff3]

Thanks .. happy I asked a question which seemed stupid :D

best

[Isaiah]

My mistake.

As for setting a negative delay in Num2, could I use the master clock to do this? I'm using an external sequencer in tandem with Num2 and Num2 always is just a bit ahead in the timing. I'd like to fix that somehow.

[jim]

You can't use the Groove clock as beat 1 of the cycle is always directly on the beat. If the timing difference is small, you might be able to use the groove controls on the Note Sequencers. However, the real solution, of course, is to have per-stack delay controls...

Cheers,
Jim

[broc]

How about adding a 'MIDI Delay' component that could be inserted anywhere?

[jim]

MIDI, Audio and CV delays are already in the queue for the pro version. The advantage of having built-in track delays is that they all "know" about each other so you can do things like negative delays pretty easily, and they can then properly accommodate delays reported by plugins as well.

Cheers,
Jim