Changing keys

[newgreyarea]

Is there a way to change the key of multiple sequencers in multiple stacks at the same time?
Say I have a few stacks going with bass, melody and chords and want to shift them up a fifth how would I do that?
Thanks!
-b

[Sjoerd]

Assuming you know how to connect a CV signal to multiple sequencers within a stack (?), you could send a global interval for key on a CV bus, then on each (other) stack, connect a CV Bus toggle to the input of your sequencer modules. Toggle the view to Routings to show the 3 CV inputs for that stack, at the top right. By default they are CV Bus 1 thru 3, you can change that right above the connectors. You can also use dedicated CV In / CV Out modules (e.g. if 3 is not enough).

Another route would be to use ParamMod modules to modulate the key of all sequencer modules. Use for example an IntervalSeq or ModulationSeq, and connect that to (a bunch of) ParamMod modules, in which you select the proper targets.

[jim]

Two good options. The nice thing about using a CV to shift the sequencers is that it allows you to transpose the sequence while still quantizing it to the same key. Also, you could combine the sequence that generates the interval offset with a velocity sequence to generate a common accent track.

Cheers,
Jim

[newgreyarea]

Wow! Ok, the second option I've done before but is no good for on the fly live stuff. Still requires preprogramming.
I'll see what I can do with the first option.
Just wondering if there was a global key shift or not.
Thanks!
-b

[newgreyarea]

So I set up 3 stacks for this experiment.

Stack 1 = Interval Seq with Pitch Out to CV 1 in.

Stack 2 = Mononote with Stack CV 1 Out to Interval In on the Mononote
Stack 3 = Same as Stack 2

The Interval Seq in Stack 1 changes the pitch.
How would I change the octaves on the Mononote seqs in Stacks 2 & 3?
This is still not a realtime option as far as I can see. Fun, inspiring but not usable in a live scenario.

Any other thoughts?
-b

[jue]

Hello,

you have to use a ParamMod module to reach the octaves....

best
jue

[Sjoerd]

This is still not a realtime option as far as I can see. Fun, inspiring but not usable in a live scenario.
Nothing is really a realtime option except playing live itself. ;)

Imho adding a few parameter modulation routings on the fly while playing live is not more problematic in any way than adding new stacks/sequencers on the fly itself (which is what you seem to be looking for: when adding a new stack/sequencer there should somehow already be a global 'group' control for a certain parameter for all instances of that module type).

You can also use the same trick you just used with CV again, but insert a Scale&Offset or BinaryOp module somewhere to multiply the CV signal by 12, and then mix the signal with the key CV signal before it goes to its destinations.

Fwiw, I tend to create *separate* controls for modulating the octave of separate sequencer modules (e.g. FaderBox connected to ParamMod modules). I find this *way* more flexible and useful than one control for all sequencer modules octaves (since a global key parameter can already do that just fine, as long as you use a range that is big enough).

PS: pro tip: try inserting a S&H module as well to quantize key/octave changes. Trigger it at the same (or, my usual preference: double) the speed of the sequencers you're modulating. This way, when you modulate the key (/octave), notes will only be retriggered when S&H triggers occur, i.e. no(t much) extra notes are played as a result of modulation.

[rexlapin]

If you have a spare MIDI keyboard you can use it via MIDI to CV (wiring the
'Note Number' out to the 'Interval' in of the Interval sequencers) to transpose
on the fly.
Cheers,
Scott

[newgreyarea]

If you have a spare MIDI keyboard you can use it via MIDI to CV (wiring the
'Note Number' out to the 'Interval' in of the Interval sequencers) to transpose
on the fly.
Cheers,
Scott

ooooh! Gonna try this!
Thanks guys for all your help!
Some of these should be put in the tip and tricks forum as I would not have thought of them for months!
Still exploring this deep program!
-b

[newgreyarea]

Well, I tried the above and got something kinda working.
I added a MIDI to CV module before a Mononote and used a Korg nanoKey to control it. When I plug the MIDI to CV module's Note Number Out to the Mononote's Interval In it automatically shifts the pitch way up and I have to lower the nanoKey to it's lowest octave to get anything usable or I have to shift the Mononote's Octave down 1-3 octaves.

I also tried something similar using this set up>

Stack 1 = MIDI to CV module Note Number out to CV Bus 1 IN.

Stack 2 = CV Bus 1 Out to Mononote's Interval In
Stack 3 = same as Stack 2

Had the same results. Weird, automatic pitch shifting.

The Korg is not sending any messages as far as I can tell, and the pitch shifting was happening before I even plugged it in.
It happens the moment I plug into the Mononote's Interval In.

I like to see if anyone else is having this problem, if it's a problem or just the way it is suppose to be.

I'll keep at it.
Thanks!
-b

[newgreyarea]

Note Processor in front of the MIDI to CV Module helped.
Still seems like there should be an easier way to achieve all this.
-b

[rexlapin]

I'm sorry if I led you astray,... although I have been having fun playing
blues progressions with an acid bass sound in Loomer Aspect. Perhaps
it's only suitable for limited uses. I also noticed that the Matrix Seq.
has a "Pitch" input rather than "Interval" which may give different
results, but I haven't tried it yet. Happy Hunting! :-)
Cheers,
Scott

[jim]

Well, I tried the above and got something kinda working.
I added a MIDI to CV module before a Mononote and used a Korg nanoKey to control it. When I plug the MIDI to CV module's Note Number Out to the Mononote's Interval In it automatically shifts the pitch way up and I have to lower the nanoKey to it's lowest octave to get anything usable or I have to shift the Mononote's Octave down 1-3 octaves.

I also tried something similar using this set up>

Stack 1 = MIDI to CV module Note Number out to CV Bus 1 IN.

Stack 2 = CV Bus 1 Out to Mononote's Interval In
Stack 3 = same as Stack 2

Had the same results. Weird, automatic pitch shifting.

The Korg is not sending any messages as far as I can tell, and the pitch shifting was happening before I even plugged it in.
It happens the moment I plug into the Mononote's Interval In.

I like to see if anyone else is having this problem, if it's a problem or just the way it is suppose to be.

I'll keep at it.
Thanks!
-b

The pitch value that comes out of the MIDI to CV module is an absolute NoteNumber, which ranges from 0 to 127, with 60 at middle C. However, the pitch input on the MonoNote expects an offset, or interval input, such as +12 to shift an octave, +7 to shift a fifth up, etc. If, say, you want middle C to be the "center" or base note, then you need to subtract 60 from the value coming out of the MIDI To CV. You can use the Scale&Offset module, or the BinaryOp to do this.

Cheers,
Jim

[jim]

I'm sorry if I led you astray,... although I have been having fun playing
blues progressions with an acid bass sound in Loomer Aspect. Perhaps
it's only suitable for limited uses. I also noticed that the Matrix Seq.
has a "Pitch" input rather than "Interval" which may give different
results, but I haven't tried it yet. Happy Hunting! :-)
Cheers,
Scott

That's actually a typo -- I've been updating the port names to more accurately reflect their behaviors -- as with the MonoNote, it should say "Interval In".

Jim

[rexlapin]

Jim,
Thanks for the information, I'll make that modification in my stacks.
Although I have owned Numerology since version one, it is only
lately that I have been digging in and attempting to really understand
it's capabilites. I'm having a lot of fun doing so I might add, and I
really like the additions in N3. Thanks for all your hard work and
creative inspiration! :-)
Cheers,
Scott

[jim]

Jim,
Thanks for the information, I'll make that modification in my stacks.
Although I have owned Numerology since version one, it is only
lately that I have been digging in and attempting to really understand
it's capabilites. I'm having a lot of fun doing so I might add, and I
really like the additions in N3. Thanks for all your hard work and
creative inspiration! :-)
Cheers,
Scott

Awesome, thanks! I always great to hear when someone has had the 'a-ha' moment... ;)

Cheers,
Jim

[newgreyarea]

I feel like I have an "a-ha" moment every time I sit down with this program!
Getting all my hard set-up to play this weekend! Mayhaps I'll make a tune!
-b